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« on: December 18, 2010, 03:27:22 AM »

Folks do some soul searching and wanna know which religion is right for them, which govt system is right for them, which education system is right for them etc etc etc.
Most institutions claim to be the only true way. Someone must be lying...
The true reason that these institutions claim they are the only true way is not because they are the only true way but because they are attempting to minimize competition with other institutions which will steal away their welfare given the chance.
Honestly, most of these institutions are not looking out for your best personal interest. They are promoting their own welfare and usually the welfare of the leaders of these institutions pockets. Rarely does an institution look out for the est interests of its followers. A religious institution like FALSE Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc etc etc  will use attract a following with truthful messages like love thy neighbor, and thou shalt not kill, and respect the earth and mother nature etc etc etc. They will make their followers spiritually dependent on them by claiming that their way is the only way and that all other ways lead to suffering. Thus the sheep or people following them are spiritually enslaved to limit themselves to only one way. They will go to the temples and the synagogues and the churches and the mosques etc etc etc and create welfare for the institution in the form of prayer, money, sacrifices, energy, labor, etc etc etc.
This stifles the development of the individual which most institutions discourage from forming. Institutions do not like individuals. Individuals think freely and create their own methods of welfare which is now in direct competition/conflict with the institutions flow of welfare. Only if the individual submits to the authority of the institution and use their own personal talents to develop the institution (not themselves) then they are accepted and perceived as only a minimal threat. When the individual gives freely to himself he is giving welfare to an entity outside of the institution, The institution wants that welfare!!!
Individuals creating new forms of competition are almost always singled out and ridiculed or killed or even worse called a quack by so many authoritative institutions that they are practically or even literally exiled and excommunicated. From people such as Nikola Tesla to Malcolm X, we see examples of the nature of the beast in response to a perceived threat.
When choosing an institution make sure that there is balance in the relationship. You should never give to an institution which does not look out for your personal welfare and personal development as an individual with a unique fingerprint/ footstep, mark on the world. You are created as an individual so that you can be an individual. Contrary to popular belief the purpose of life is not to join an institution then through it, die and go to heaven. It is to develop yourself, your talents, your experience etc etc etc.
In the case of the true individual these institutions become so irrelevant they are rendered obsolete and the individual will support himself outside of these institutions. The individual will make his own institutions which support the individuals welfare. The individual will have no respect for authority and will never submit to the authority unless forced. The individual is a dangerous element of any society as it is a major threat to society and its institutions. If the individual's institutions grow enough they have the potential to overpower the former institutions........


The true purpose of the institution is to promote the welfare of...
the institution
The spiritual and secular world
selected aspects of the spiritual and secular world
the secular world alone
selected aspects of the secular world
the spiritual world alone   
selected aspects of the spiritual world
the authorities within the institution. (most common)


-HEavenzsun
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« Reply #1 on: January 04, 2011, 03:08:26 PM »

            A complex relationship is shared between the spiritual and secular worlds. This relationship shifts between periods and states of harmony, compromise, and conflict. This relationship revolves around a mutual interest to manage populations under their authority for purposes pursuant to creating, sustaining, and developing the welfare of the institution and/or the social order under their jurisdiction. This mutual interest kept these institutions harmoniously inseparably intertwined for a considerable time. However disagreements on the methodology for maintaining the welfare of the institutions and corruption within them have served as a catalyst for conflict, compromise, and splits within and between the institutions.
           
               Generally speaking, government and religion initially function as one inseparable entity. The first example of instituted law in recorded history is found in ancient Mesopotamia. It is known as Hammurabi’s code. Hammurabi is depicted writing laws under the command of Marduk the God of Justice. (King Hammurabi The Code of Hammurabi Early 18th century B.C.E.). Here the government and religion are working seamlessly together for a common purpose. The institution is responsible for both the spiritual and worldly fate (welfare) of the population under their jurisdiction. In “The Code of Ham-Mu-Rabi” Hammurabi states his purpose;  “When Marduk commissioned me to guide the people aright... I established law and justice in the language of the land thereby promoting the welfare of the people...”- Hammurabi. The stated intended interest here is to promote welfare of the people. This is done through instituting laws under the authority of a divine figure (Marduk). Here the secular and spiritual worlds are in direct contact, each one with the other and so there is harmony in the institution.

            Instances of compromise between conflicting institutions also occur. The Hebrew Israelites are famous for making one of the most well known compromises in the history of these institutions. The compromise is presented as a covenant which is made for the Hebrew Israelites by Yahweh. The compromise was made so that the population could function in Yahweh's institution, according to Yahweh’s methodology for maintaining welfare and leave their old institutions and methods behind. (The Covenant at Sinai). Here a specific methodology is laid out for maintaining the welfare. Also provided is an extra incentive for following this methodology rather than the one they already are following. (Yahweh Promises a covenant) “You yourselves have seen what I did with the Egyptians…if you… hold fast to my covenant… you of all nations shall be my very own”-Yahweh. Yahweh has promised to make the Hebrew Israelites his chosen people under the circumstance that they follow his method. Conflict between the institutions the Israelites have accepted and Yahweh's institution arise because of a disagreement in methodology. The Hebrew Israelites have chosen to lead a certain lifestyle they have picked up in Egypt during their enslavement which conflicts with the lifestyle Yahweh prescribes. It is now necessary for Yahweh to give the Hebrew Israelites an incentive for following his laws. (Law concerning the altar) Here we see that two institutions are differing in opinion on how to maintain the welfare. Yahweh specifically bans the presence of graven images at his altar which is a key element of the spiritual welfare of the people under the old institution. In order to maintain the welfare created by the old institution its laws must be followed meaning graven images must be made. In order to maintain the welfare of Yahweh’s institution however laws which benefit this institution must be followed meaning no graven images. This conflict is solved by compromising and creating a covenant where the old ways are left behind and the new way is accepted with the promise of divine favor. Speaking more specifically, The question was about the worship of Yahweh vs the worship of Hathor, Amen, and other Egyptian Deities. These divine beings each had a temple. In that temple was stored wealth (welfare). When people came to worship they would bring grain and money, and other sacrifices/gifts etc. If The old institution is maintained and the Israelites continue to worship Hathor, Hathor's priest (Hathor's institutions) will get all of the welfare. However, if the ark of the covenant is attracting the welfare, Yahweh's institution will benefit. This is one of the reasons that Moses mercilessly destroyed the golden calf which was actually a "graven" image of Hathor. He did not want any of the welfare going into Hathor's institutions. He wanted all the welfare going into Yahweh's institutions.

            Conflict also arose between institutions. Even in it's infancy, Christianity posed a threat to an already well-established institution known as the Roman Empire. The doctrine of Christ conflicted with the law of Rome because it encouraged ideas such as the equality of men under god. This directly challenges Rome’s institutions which relied heavily on slave labor to function at even the most basic level. Rome recognized this threat and sought to destroy it as it was becoming increasingly popular amongst the population. (5. Pliny the Younger Letters Early Second Century C.E.; Pliny to Emperor Trajan.). In Pliny’s letters to the Roman Emperor, he discusses his sentiments on the Christian population. “I have never been present at an examination of Christians… the mere name of Christian which is punishable… I am convinced that their stubbornness and unshakable obstinacy ought not to go unpunished" -Pliny. The two institutions at this point are visibly divided. In order for the welfare of Rome to be maintained, its laws must be followed. However in order for religious institution of Christianity to maintain its welfare, the doctrine of Christianity must be followed.  Unfortunately an institution which uses slave labor cannot work harmoniously with an institution which recognizes all men as equal and so conflict ensued such as the execution of “Obstinate Christians” by the Roman authorities.

             Similar instances can be found in all institutions. Whether it is the democratic-republican party splitting to become the Democrats vs the Republicans or the NOI splitting into its factions, Christian Churches splitting into it's many factions, splits in music groups, gang related conflict and warfare between nations and races... The spiritual and secular worlds experience conflict when methods of maintaining the welfare come into question. However there were periods also instances of compromise and harmony, in fact the institutions initially functioned as one unit.   Over time however disagreements on how the welfare should be protected ultimately divided them.


-Heavenzsun
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« Reply #2 on: January 04, 2011, 06:36:44 PM »

Good read, thanks
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« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2011, 08:13:25 PM »

This is awsome! Well said.
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« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2011, 10:11:51 PM »

Good read, thanks
Thanks. This is actually a research paper that have edited for presentation on the net. I was gonna pos it to FB but decided tht it was too heavy for most of my friends so I might as well put it somewhere that it has a chance of being appreciated.
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« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2011, 12:12:56 PM »

Any system who claims that they are the best and only way to "God" is lying. That's on some ego dick measuring shit.
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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2011, 02:48:31 PM »

Any system who claims that they are the best and only way to "God" is lying. That's on some ego dick measuring shit.

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and I concur

Heavunszun you basically just killed all major religions too.
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« Reply #7 on: January 06, 2011, 12:24:37 AM »

Any system who claims that they are the best and only way to "God" is lying. That's on some ego dick measuring shit.

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and I concur

Heavunszun you basically just killed all major religions too.

To be on the safe side, I would say (in the most innocent, disarming, offended, get real, that's not what I meant at all don't even go there with me type voice) ..."That was not my purpose and intent at all to knock any of your religions and stuff"... But then I would be lying.

You know... I do my best
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I do my best.
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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2011, 09:53:01 PM »

"This stifles the development of the individual which most institutions discourage from forming. Institutions do not like individuals. Individuals think freely and create their own methods of welfare which is now in direct competition/conflict with the institutions flow of welfare. Only if the individual submits to the authority of the institution and use their own personal talents to develop the institution (not themselves) then they are accepted and perceived as only a minimal threat. When the individual gives freely to himself he is giving welfare to an entity outside of the institution, The institution wants that welfare!!!
Individuals creating new forms of competition are almost always singled out and ridiculed or killed or even worse called a quack by so many authoritative institutions that they are practically or even literally exiled and excommunicated."



That's what it comes down to right there.

Great writing Beloved.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2011, 09:53:58 PM »

Any system who claims that they are the best and only way to "God" is lying. That's on some ego dick measuring shit.


So very true!!!
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« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2011, 01:10:44 PM »

Well if the truth hurts.....we'll be in pain .
If the truth drives us crazy.....than we'll be insane .
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« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2011, 11:12:18 AM »

Loved it!  I like how you tied in decisions within the organization were made based on the welfare of the organization.  Had nothing to really do with anything, except what we know now as the almighty dollar.  I would say though that I've gotten over with knocking religious folks and different organizations though.  At one time that was my favorite pastime.  Things change... circumstances change... people change.  If whatever you're doing is making you a better being and you can maintain individuality and not become lost, then so be it.
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