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« on: March 28, 2010, 01:54:27 PM »



1. You are young and don’t want health insurance? You are starting up a small business and need to minimize expenses, and one way to do that is to forego health insurance? Tough. You have to pay $750 annually for the “privilege.” (Section 1501)

2. You are young and healthy and want to pay for insurance that reflects that status? Tough. You’ll have to pay for premiums that cover not only you, but also the guy who smokes three packs a day, drink a gallon of whiskey and eats chicken fat off the floor. That’s because insurance companies will no longer be able to underwrite on the basis of a person’s health status. (Section 2701).

3. You would like to pay less in premiums by buying insurance with lifetime or annual limits on coverage? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer such policies, even if that is what customers prefer. (Section 2711).

4. Think you’d like a policy that is cheaper because it doesn’t cover preventive care or requires cost-sharing for such care? Tough. Health insurers will no longer be able to offer policies that do not cover preventive services or offer them with cost-sharing, even if that’s what the customer wants. (Section 2712).

5. You are an employer and you would like to offer coverage that doesn’t allow your employers’ slacker children to stay on the policy until age 26? Tough. (Section 2714).

6. You must buy a policy that covers ambulatory patient services, emergency services, hospitalization, maternity and newborn care, mental health and substance use disorder services, including behavioral health treatment; prescription drugs; rehabilitative and habilitative services and devices; laboratory services; preventive and wellness services; chronic disease management; and pediatric services, including oral and vision care.

You’re a single guy without children? Tough, your policy must cover pediatric services. You’re a woman who can’t have children? Tough, your policy must cover maternity services. You’re a teetotaler? Tough, your policy must cover substance abuse treatment. (Add your own violation of personal freedom here.) (Section 1302).

7. Do you want a plan with lots of cost-sharing and low premiums? Well, the best you can do is a “Bronze plan,” which has benefits that provide benefits that are actuarially equivalent to 60% of the full actuarial value of the benefits provided under the plan. Anything lower than that, tough. (Section 1302 (d) (1) (A))

8. You are an employer in the small-group insurance market and you’d like to offer policies with deductibles higher than $2,000 for individuals and $4,000 for families? Tough. (Section 1302 (c) (2) (A).

9. If you are a large employer (defined as at least 101 employees) and you do not want to provide health insurance to your employee, then you will pay a $750 fine per employee (It could be $2,000 to $3,000 under the reconciliation changes). Think you know how to better spend that money? Tough. (Section 1513).

10. You are an employer who offers health flexible spending arrangements and your employees want to deduct more than $2,500 from their salaries for it? Sorry, can’t do that. (Section 9005 (i)).

11. If you are a physician and you don’t want the government looking over your shoulder? Tough. The Secretary of Health and Human Services is authorized to use your claims data to issue you reports that measure the resources you use, provide information on the quality of care you provide, and compare the resources you use to those used by other physicians. Of course, this will all be just for informational purposes. It’s not like the government will ever use it to intervene in your practice and patients’ care. Of course not. (Section 3003 (i))

12. If you are a physician and you want to own your own hospital, you must be an owner and have a “Medicare provider agreement” by Feb. 1, 2010. (Dec. 31, 2010 in the reconciliation changes.) If you didn’t have those by then, you are out of luck. (Section 6001 (i) (1) (A))

13. If you are a physician owner and you want to expand your hospital? Well, you can’t (Section 6001 (i) (1) (B). Unless, it is located in a country where, over the last five years, population growth has been 150% of what it has been in the state (Section 6601 (i) (3) ( E)). And then you cannot increase your capacity by more than 200% (Section 6001 (i) (3) (C)).

14. You are a health insurer and you want to raise premiums to meet costs? Well, if that increase is deemed “unreasonable” by the Secretary of Health and Human Services it will be subject to review and can be denied. (Section 1003)

15. The government will extract a fee of $2.3 billion annually from the pharmaceutical industry. If you are a pharmaceutical company what you will pay depends on the ratio of the number of brand-name drugs you sell to the total number of brand-name drugs sold in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the brand-name drugs in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2.3 billion, or $230,000,000. (Under reconciliation, it starts at $2.55 billion, jumps to $3 billion in 2012, then to $3.5 billion in 2017 and $4.2 billion in 2018, before settling at $2.8 billion in 2019 (Section 1404)). Think you, as a pharmaceutical executive, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 9008 (b)).

16. The government will extract a fee of $2 billion annually from medical device makers. If you are a medical device maker what you will pay depends on your share of medical device sales in the U.S. So, if you sell 10% of the medical devices in the U.S., what you pay will be 10% multiplied by $2 billion, or $200,000,000. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for R&D? Tough. (Section 9009 (b)).

The reconciliation package turns that into a 2.9% excise tax for medical device makers. Think you, as a medical device maker, know how to better use that money, say for research and development? Tough. (Section 1405).

17. The government will extract a fee of $6.7 billion annually from insurance companies. If you are an insurer, what you will pay depends on your share of net premiums plus 200% of your administrative costs. So, if your net premiums and administrative costs are equal to 10% of the total, you will pay 10% of $6.7 billion, or $670,000,000. In the reconciliation bill, the fee will start at $8 billion in 2014, $11.3 billion in 2015, $1.9 billion in 2017, and $14.3 billion in 2018 (Section 1406).Think you, as an insurance executive, know how to better spend that money? Tough.(Section 9010 (b) (1) (A and B).)

18. If an insurance company board or its stockholders think the CEO is worth more than $500,000 in deferred compensation? Tough.(Section 9014).

19. You will have to pay an additional 0.5% payroll tax on any dollar you make over $250,000 if you file a joint return and $200,000 if you file an individual return. What? You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9015).

That amount will rise to a 3.8% tax if reconciliation passes. It will also apply to investment income, estates, and trusts. You think you know how to spend the money you earned better than the government? Like you need to ask. (Section 1402).

20. If you go for cosmetic surgery, you will pay an additional 5% tax on the cost of the procedure. Think you know how to spend that money you earned better than the government? Tough. (Section 9017).

sOURCE: http://www.fireandreamitchell.com/2010/03/22/20-ways-obamacare-will-take-away-our-freedoms/
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« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2010, 02:24:57 PM »

All this means is rich people will find loopholes and poor will wallow in further poverty and disease because they don't know the loopholes or are too busy working to find them.

Im planning on being in the rich bracket who can foot the bill when necessary.
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« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2010, 02:39:19 PM »

All this means is rich people will find loopholes and poor will wallow in further poverty and disease because they don't know the loopholes or are too busy working to find them.

Im planning on being in the rich bracket who can foot the bill when necessary.

Good plan 360. Who is going to educate the masses on finding the loopholes in thr bill? Or is it every men for himself?
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« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2010, 05:28:18 PM »

Thanks for this!
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« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2010, 07:48:51 PM »

I think you will see a lot more independent contractors and outsourcing. Payroll will shrink quickly and unions are about to get a severe deathblow.

This falls into my prediction of America becoming a predominantly self-employed nation.

Also, how will this impact those who choose natural options of health and wellness? I like using flaxseed oil gelcaps to reduce my cholesterol.
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« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2010, 08:23:19 PM »

I think you will see a lot more independent contractors and outsourcing. Payroll will shrink quickly and unions are about to get a severe deathblow.

This falls into my prediction of America becoming a predominantly self-employed nation.

Also, how will this impact those who choose natural options of health and wellness? I like using flaxseed oil gelcaps to reduce my cholesterol.

natural options are on the ropes. FDA going for the KO . It means a DEEP depression thats what it means. Noone will be able to afford hiring people. Self employed people will be taxed to death.. They are going for the neck with this one.

Yes its basically everyone for themselves.
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« Reply #6 on: March 29, 2010, 12:01:36 PM »

This is why its important to study law, civics, etc! They are taking the enslavement to a whole nother' level. I agree with 360, the people who know the Game will not have to deal with this bullshit. Its for the sickly masses. I definitely have to keep studying my shit.

@John, I don't think anyone will come out and educate the masses on anything legal. That's very dangerous because they only get what their thoughts and lifestyle ask for. And it looks like thats more tyranny and control from the goverment. I fucks with the Law of Allowance nowadays. If you try and help the masses, they will lynch that ass like the mythical Yeshua.

I see this all the time, I know a lot of people who are into health, yet STILL go to the doctor to get blood tests (to test nutrition), still rely on the RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance which was concocted from a random middle aged European thought to be in good health, yet health to the average person is actually a far gone state of degeneracy) to tell them how to eat, etc. They want to be told what to do with their health, either way.
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« Reply #7 on: March 29, 2010, 02:28:23 PM »

This is why its important to study law, civics, etc! They are taking the enslavement to a whole nother' level. I agree with 360, the people who know the Game will not have to deal with this bullshit. Its for the sickly masses. I definitely have to keep studying my shit.

@John, I don't think anyone will come out and educate the masses on anything legal. That's very dangerous because they only get what their thoughts and lifestyle ask for. And it looks like thats more tyranny and control from the goverment. I fucks with the Law of Allowance nowadays. If you try and help the masses, they will lynch that ass like the mythical Yeshua.

I see this all the time, I know a lot of people who are into health, yet STILL go to the doctor to get blood tests (to test nutrition), still rely on the RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance which was concocted from a random middle aged European thought to be in good health, yet health to the average person is actually a far gone state of degeneracy) to tell them how to eat, etc. They want to be told what to do with their health, either way.

Totally...I learned this as well....I would give a bit of knowledge when my mom or dad would wanna...say, drink soda and other things...jus so they would be informed. Boy oh boy...mom told me i was tryin to dictate ppls lives and who am i to be sayin all this stuff....Err??? Ever since then....I jus let ppl do what ever they wanna do...no more tryin to "help them"....if they wanna know they can find out jus as I have...or ask me and ! will gladly share.
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« Reply #8 on: March 29, 2010, 03:02:23 PM »

I guess that makes sense. I have tried to offer advice on healthier options to my family and friends, and I always get the cold shoulder whenever I do so.
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« Reply #9 on: March 29, 2010, 04:47:30 PM »

I guess that makes sense. I have tried to offer advice on healthier options to my family and friends, and I always get the cold shoulder whenever I do so.

Well at least you don't get branded as a practitioner of Voodoo (not like anything is wrong with it) when you give suggestions like I do. Lol! All I did was give a couple of my frat sisters a concoction of horseradish, lemon juice, and cayenne pepper for chest and head congestion. I gave a couple of other people I knew things like herbal teas I would make for different ailments and then all of a sudden I'm the reincarnation of Marie Laveaux. People can be so stupid at times.
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« Reply #10 on: March 29, 2010, 04:53:25 PM »

I agree with you John and Ash...I have a co-worker that just finished the FBD and people have been asking how the "waste" (20 lbs) was lost, when they are told they immediately say they can't/won't do it.  People want the benefits without the work.  They have been conditioned that what they are eating (meat, dairy, processed and man created "food") and drinking (soda, beer, liquor, and "enhanced" juice) is good and normal.  All the while, becoming more sickly.

I have decided that I will share when asked - and I get asked alot since I released 14 lbs of waste on the FBD & PWC - but, otherwise, keep my big mouth shut.  LOL   Grin Grin Grin

***I do pray for my family and close personal friends to see why eating more organically grown fruits and veggies is best for them.  Cheesy
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« Reply #11 on: March 29, 2010, 05:17:14 PM »

I totally agree with you guys! I can sympathize with you Soul Beautiful, I have been accused of being brainwashed because I talk about organic fruits and vegatables. People are ridicolous, I guess ignorance is bliss.

SO it goes without saying, be the change you want to see?
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« Reply #12 on: March 29, 2010, 06:55:20 PM »

I agree with you John and Ash...I have a co-worker that just finished the FBD and people have been asking how the "waste" (20 lbs) was lost, when they are told they immediately say they can't/won't do it.  People want the benefits without the work.  They have been conditioned that what they are eating (meat, dairy, processed and man created "food") and drinking (soda, beer, liquor, and "enhanced" juice) is good and normal.  All the while, becoming more sickly.

I have decided that I will share when asked - and I get asked alot since I released 14 lbs of waste on the FBD & PWC - but, otherwise, keep my big mouth shut.  LOL   Grin Grin Grin

***I do pray for my family and close personal friends to see why eating more organically grown fruits and veggies is best for them.  Cheesy

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1. The young
2. The open-minded
3. The desperate

Everything in Nature has a price tag. You cannot 'steal' good health.
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« Reply #13 on: March 29, 2010, 07:22:39 PM »

This is why its important to study law, civics, etc! They are taking the enslavement to a whole nother' level. I agree with 360, the people who know the Game will not have to deal with this bullshit. Its for the sickly masses. I definitely have to keep studying my shit.

@John, I don't think anyone will come out and educate the masses on anything legal. That's very dangerous because they only get what their thoughts and lifestyle ask for. And it looks like thats more tyranny and control from the goverment. I fucks with the Law of Allowance nowadays. If you try and help the masses, they will lynch that ass like the mythical Yeshua.

I see this all the time, I know a lot of people who are into health, yet STILL go to the doctor to get blood tests (to test nutrition), still rely on the RDA (Recommended Daily Allowance which was concocted from a random middle aged European thought to be in good health, yet health to the average person is actually a far gone state of degeneracy) to tell them how to eat, etc. They want to be told what to do with their health, either way.

I so agree here. For the sickly for sure! Like I remember when it was passed a friend of mine on FB was so happy because he said now he and his family can just go to get care when they get sick. That's cool I guess, free will. Takes away responsibility so people can just go on doing things they want and have been doing to get sick in the first place. Now they DEFINITELY do not have to take the time to use the lesson in the sickness to grow and learn from and live a better life. He also said something about a republican saying we are governed by nature so why do we need insurance? LOL then my friend said "somebody tell me if we are governed by nature, why am I paying taxes, have car insurance and have a license, etc?" LOL I really just left that one alone, with the many thoughts going through my mind...

People have to WANT to be educated on these matters. I think it's time out for trying to save people who do not want to be saved and spoon-feeding certain things (different from assisting and providing links to tools)--then again that might just be my personal patience level that I must work on, which is cool too. That's mostly the problem now, people not taking a certain amount of personal responsibility & not starting on studying for themselves. That's one reason the bill was passed in the first place. All in due time I guess, when one is ready to learn. The ones who want to find the loopholes will find them. There are some do not desire to find loopholes, they think this is the best thing since sliced American Pie! I say let them be content, there will always be work to do with the people with the system the way it is, which allows all of us to live out our purpose...gonna get off of my soapbox now LOL
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« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2010, 07:29:40 PM »

Is it just me, but does it seem like that black people are harder to change their lifstyles? I see more whites at the natural foods, co-ops, and alot more white vegans!!! I'm just saying.
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