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« on: July 25, 2009, 02:13:23 PM »

Does it really? This is something I've struggled with as I just see too many contradictory examples. Too many people are out here killing killing killing, yet living....good lives too. Many people I know are the most giving people ever, but receive little to nothing. People treat others like shit and are loved by others. This karma thing just has not settled well into my psyche. Thoughts?
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« Reply #1 on: July 25, 2009, 02:24:12 PM »

Goddyssey, I have often struggled with the same thing!!!! People I know personally are alway prospering, getting everything and everyone the desire. They go on lavish shopping sprees, etc, but are the most selfish and wicked people you ever could imagine. Yet, the warm, giving and humble ones are the ones who are struggling day in and day out, living hand to mouth. WHY IS THAT??Thats a good ass question. Does karma really exist? Does it? I have sit back and literally watched people steal from a company and that same company trun aroud and give them a bonus check......lol. Im like WTH?? Then I have seen others give thier last morsel of money, food, etc and they get NOTHING. I also see people (esp ladies) give their heart to someone and treat them like gold, but the man would rather be with the lady whom treats him like shit.(thinks it sexy to be distant and aloof) Im so confused, dont know what to think about karma.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2009, 02:39:42 PM »

I think the modern day understanding of Karma is different then what it meant in the older hindu systems, I think it really only exists in your mind, and or instituted by the soul, or higher self for you to learn certain things. Anyone who cultivates their spirituality, and gets the fuckin point of the messages shouldnt have an issue with some kind of "karma". I personally don't really think it exists, especially how people describe it nowadays.
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« Reply #3 on: July 25, 2009, 02:41:57 PM »

These people who may be living lavish lives with wealth accumulated underhandedly, are they really enjoying it? They are affilicted like those they hurt, they can't hide from it in expensive eateries , or in remote estates. They attempt to shield themselves from the karma with materials but it gets them no less. They souled out for a few trinkets, when I see these "global elites" like the turners, rockerfellers and others. I don't see happy, life loving people. I see misery. Because they help cause misery, it will always find them. They may still be breathing, but their souls died with the people they helped to kill and exploit.
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« Reply #4 on: July 25, 2009, 03:36:31 PM »

No do not believe that what goes around.  If I kill someone, it does not mean that I will be killed. Now if I put out the energy of victimization and hatred then maybe I will attract some violent circumstances unto me but it has to do with what is going on in my inner world rather it being what goes around come.  That is not a law but rather a limiting belief.  Whatever comes into your life has to do with what going in your inner world.  You attract what you are not what you want.

I personally do not believe in the notion of right and wrong or victimization when I hear some people discuss karma it is usually from this angle.  We create our lives so our past events do not have to affect our futures. Just my take
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« Reply #5 on: July 25, 2009, 07:40:10 PM »

Hmmm this is a good topic! I've had questions in the back of my head, but like mentioned up top, I don't think it's exact in the sense of me giving so i'll get and me taking a life so i'm going to receive this.

I have so many thoughts and vibrations on this but i'm not finding how to spill it. I'll be back.
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« Reply #6 on: July 25, 2009, 09:15:55 PM »

Goddyssey, I have often struggled with the same thing!!!! People I know personally are alway prospering, getting everything and everyone the desire. They go on lavish shopping sprees, etc, but are the most selfish and wicked people you ever could imagine. Yet, the warm, giving and humble ones are the ones who are struggling day in and day out, living hand to mouth. WHY IS THAT??Thats a good ass question. Does karma really exist? Does it? I have sit back and literally watched people steal from a company and that same company trun aroud and give them a bonus check......lol. Im like WTH?? Then I have seen others give thier last morsel of money, food, etc and they get NOTHING. I also see people (esp ladies) give their heart to someone and treat them like gold, but the man would rather be with the lady whom treats him like shit.(thinks it sexy to be distant and aloof) Im so confused, dont know what to think about karma.

Trust me I feel you. We're on the same page on this one: Confusion! LOL

I think in the examples that you and I listed, we're seeing the law of attraction played out. The person that's so giving but never receives anything may not be open to receive. Maybe they're giving out of a lack mentality. Or that religious bs: it is better to giveth than receiveth.  Roll Eyes Ya know? And the people who treat others like crap yet live great lives probably love themselves above all others, explaining their treatment of others, and the universe's treatment of them. I know this chick that will steal stores blind! But would never ever have anything stolen from her. Not even a parking spot. LOL She left her front door wide the hell open one day and came back to a full house! And she lives in Trinidad! (That's a relatively rough neighborhood in DC). Man this karma thing just ain't making sense to me.

I think the modern day understanding of Karma is different then what it meant in the older hindu systems, I think it really only exists in your mind, and or instituted by the soul, or higher self for you to learn certain things. Anyone who cultivates their spirituality, and gets the fuckin point of the messages shouldnt have an issue with some kind of "karma". I personally don't really think it exists, especially how people describe it nowadays.

So if it exists only in our minds, isn't this the law of attraction playing out?

This is the conclusion I'm leaning toward lately. I always took karma for granted, like oh of course it exists. But when I really began to evaluate it in real life situations, it doesn't seem to add up.

These people who may be living lavish lives with wealth accumulated underhandedly, are they really enjoying it? They are affilicted like those they hurt, they can't hide from it in expensive eateries , or in remote estates. They attempt to shield themselves from the karma with materials but it gets them no less. They souled out for a few trinkets, when I see these "global elites" like the turners, rockerfellers and others. I don't see happy, life loving people. I see misery. Because they help cause misery, it will always find them. They may still be breathing, but their souls died with the people they helped to kill and exploit.

'Souled out'...I like that. You bring up some good points, and I'm wondering if maybe we're just not seeing them reaping what they sow. But is it even possible for them to do so? In comparison to the effect they've had on many many other's lives, how in the world would they 'repay' that?

No do not believe that what goes around.  If I kill someone, it does not mean that I will be killed. Now if I put out the energy of victimization and hatred then maybe I will attract some violent circumstances unto me but it has to do with what is going on in my inner world rather it being what goes around come.  That is not a law but rather a limiting belief.  Whatever comes into your life has to do with what going in your inner world.  You attract what you are not what you want.

I personally do not believe in the notion of right and wrong or victimization when I hear some people discuss karma it is usually from this angle.  We create our lives so our past events do not have to affect our futures. Just my take

This sounds like the law of attraction to me. Every time I ask someone to explain karma to me they end up going over the law of attraction and calling it karma. True if there is no right or wrong, there would be no 'repercussions' to 'suffer' for one's actions. I swear if I could drop this notion of right, wrong, and karma, life would make a lot more sense to me. There would be no explanation needed for what is going on today. It just is.

Hmmm this is a good topic! I've had questions in the back of my head, but like mentioned up top, I don't think it's exact in the sense of me giving so i'll get and me taking a life so i'm going to receive this.

I have so many thoughts and vibrations on this but i'm not finding how to spill it. I'll be back.

It must be! LOL

Looking forward to your 'spill'. lol
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« Reply #7 on: July 26, 2009, 07:40:08 PM »

karma does not exist. it mind control to control your actions. suffering because of past lives is a hoax. why is that in certain socities where thay have strange spiritual beleifs like burying children life nothing happens to them. or child male warriors who have to kill men and hang up their heads? nothing happens to them.
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« Reply #8 on: July 26, 2009, 11:29:34 PM »

karma does not exist. it mind control to control your actions. suffering because of past lives is a hoax. why is that in certain socities where thay have strange spiritual beleifs like burying children life nothing happens to them. or child male warriors who have to kill men and hang up their heads? nothing happens to them.

See, that's what I'm talking about. Karma really does sound like some more of that religious mind control shit tryna make people think they're going to have to 'pay' for their actions. As if there is a 'right' and 'wrong' or something to 'pay' or 'be rewarded' for. What do each of these things really mean? Act the way I want you to act, basically. I'ma tell you what's right and wrong and what's good bad pleasureful painful, and if you don't agree, you will suffer.
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« Reply #9 on: July 27, 2009, 01:11:01 AM »

karma does not exist. it mind control to control your actions. suffering because of past lives is a hoax. why is that in certain socities where thay have strange spiritual beleifs like burying children life nothing happens to them. or child male warriors who have to kill men and hang up their heads? nothing happens to them.

how do you know nothing happens to them? Do you walk in their shoes and know that nothing happens? Are you expected the return action to be: that person gets killed as well? What if the return action is something that cannot be seen from the outside? What if these people feel empty inside, something that you cant see?  Karma does not have to be a bad thing. Karma is always associated with bad.
 Me personally, I believe in Karma, I dont view it as bad or good. Its something that is often defined improperly and difficult to understand. For me, karma is one of those concepts thats hard to comprehend for some, like free will or reincarnation.
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« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2009, 08:02:33 AM »

karma does not exist. it mind control to control your actions. suffering because of past lives is a hoax. why is that in certain socities where thay have strange spiritual beleifs like burying children life nothing happens to them. or child male warriors who have to kill men and hang up their heads? nothing happens to them.

how do you know nothing happens to them? Do you walk in their shoes and know that nothing happens? Are you expected the return action to be: that person gets killed as well? What if the return action is something that cannot be seen from the outside? What if these people feel empty inside, something that you cant see?  Karma does not have to be a bad thing. Karma is always associated with bad.
 Me personally, I believe in Karma, I dont view it as bad or good. Its something that is often defined improperly and difficult to understand. For me, karma is one of those concepts thats hard to comprehend for some, like free will or reincarnation.

My thoughts are all jumbled right now. I'm going to put them out anyway and see what I end up with though. LOL

First, these are some great questions, and I've pondered over a few of them myself. I think my issue with karma is that one can have control over or an effect on another's life without their permission or participation. Why can't that act just be that one act? Now someone has to pay or be rewarded for that and then the debt or reward has to be punished or rewarded. It seems like a never ending cycle. IDK I guess the praise or punishment ordeal just seems humanistic to me.

What's your best way of describing karma? How did you come to understand it?
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« Reply #11 on: August 28, 2009, 10:48:45 AM »

I read this book by Gloria Chadwick called Discovering your Past Lives. I liked the way she described Karma. She goes into how Karma is the Sanskrit word for action and that often karma is described as cause and effect. She states that Karma is about balance. Karma can be changed because we are the ones that created our karma. If something occurs to you that you feel is negative, you can change it by understanding what occurred. "The Law of Karma is perfectly just and fair. You're the judge and the jury, and you determine your own sentence, based on your previous actions.... Karma is a constant law that's always in motion" (Chadwick, pg138)

So positive things that happen to you are a result of Karma and so are the negatives, but you have the ability to change your karma. Since the book is about past lives. She goes into how you choose your current path before you are born, for whatever reasons and lessons. So your karma that you need to balance was already put in motion by you when you were born.


I still think karma is difficult to understand, but when something happens in my life.. i just know its karma. Its like your just know what it is.
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